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I distinguish human-identification from bureaucracy-applied-to-humans: There was a period in human history in which no state existed so no bureaucracy-applied-to-humans existed and humans identi...
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2021-09-26T18:30:45Z (over 2 years ago)
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- I distinguish *human-identification* from *bureaucracy-applied-to-humans*:
- * There was a period in human history in which no state existed so no bureaucracy-applied-to-humans existed and humans identified one another just by sense and perhaps also general communication language as we use today
- * There was an even earlier period in human history in which no general communication languages as we use today existed so human-identification was done only by sense
- ---
- Today, states record information about their citizens to identify them (their bodies):
- * Assigned name
- * Assigned date of birth
- * Assigned address
- Some problems with bureaucracy-applied-to-humans are:
- * It's forced upon someone which might not want to take part in it
- * Names, addresses and even calendars are not essential and can be changed at least in the mind of the subject
- * It may be grasped as "reducing" an entire human being's history into mere technical information
- These and maybe other problems consist a broader problem.<br>
- If any, what solutions does science holds to that problem?
- Perhaps some kind of "computerized-genetic-human-identification" and Perhaps "world-government-microchip-identification"; perhaps something else?
- I distinguish *human-identification* from *bureaucracy-applied-to-humans*:
- * There was a period in human history in which no state existed so no bureaucracy-applied-to-humans existed and humans identified one another just by sense and perhaps also general communication language as we use today
- * There was an even earlier period in human history in which no general communication languages as we use today existed so human-identification was done only by sense
- ---
- Today, states record information about their citizens to identify them (their bodies):
- * Assigned name
- * Assigned date of birth
- * Assigned address
- * Image
- Some problems with bureaucracy-applied-to-humans are:
- * It's forced upon someone which might not want to take part in it
- * Names, addresses and even calendars are not essential and can be changed at least in the mind of the subject
- * It may be grasped as "reducing" an entire human being's history into mere technical information
- * One can identify with two or more of the relevant detail types
- These and maybe other problems consist a broader problem.<br>
- If any, what solutions does science holds to that problem?
- Perhaps some kind of "computerized-genetic-human-identification" and Perhaps "world-government-microchip-identification"; perhaps something else?
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First I have to distinguish *human-identification* from *bureaucracy-applied-to-humans*.* There was a period in human history in which no state existed so no bureaucracy-applied-to-humans existed and humans identified one the other just by mere senses and perhaps also general communication languages as we use today* There was an even earlier period in human history in which no general communication languages as we use today existed so human-identification was done only by mere senses (this is how families and even tribes did allegiance identification)- ---
Today, states issue bureaucratical information about their citizens to identify them, such as:- * Assigned name
- * Assigned date of birth
- * Assigned address
* Assigned name of parent A* Assigned name of parent B---Some states would also add very controversial definitions such as assigned "gender" or assigned "race".While many would agree that gender and race are controversial for human-identification and should be dropped, I never came across discussions about the other, allegedly more "basic" or "innocent" types of information.---Some problems with bureaucracy-applied-to-humans is that it's not really unique ("coincidences can happen in the United States and Canada") and they may be grasped as "reducing" an entire human being's history into mere technical information; these and maybe other problems consist a broader problem with using bureaucracy-applied-to-humans.---If any, what solutions does science give us to the broad problem I described above?- Perhaps some kind of "computerized-genetic-human-identification" and Perhaps "world-government-microchip-identification"; perhaps something else?
- I distinguish *human-identification* from *bureaucracy-applied-to-humans*:
- * There was a period in human history in which no state existed so no bureaucracy-applied-to-humans existed and humans identified one another just by sense and perhaps also general communication language as we use today
- * There was an even earlier period in human history in which no general communication languages as we use today existed so human-identification was done only by sense
- ---
- Today, states record information about their citizens to identify them (their bodies):
- * Assigned name
- * Assigned date of birth
- * Assigned address
- Some problems with bureaucracy-applied-to-humans are:
- * It's forced upon someone which might not want to take part in it
- * Names, addresses and even calendars are not essential and can be changed at least in the mind of the subject
- * It may be grasped as "reducing" an entire human being's history into mere technical information
- These and maybe other problems consist a broader problem.<br>
- If any, what solutions does science holds to that problem?
- Perhaps some kind of "computerized-genetic-human-identification" and Perhaps "world-government-microchip-identification"; perhaps something else?
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Could science (especially computer science
- Scientific solution to bureaucracy-applied-to-humans
First I have to distinct *human-identification* from *human-applied-bureaucracy*.* There was a period in human history in which no state existed so no human-applied-bureaucracy existed and humans identified one the other just by mere senses and perhaps also general communication languages as we use today- * There was an even earlier period in human history in which no general communication languages as we use today existed so human-identification was done only by mere senses (this is how families and even tribes did allegiance identification)
- ---
- Today, states issue bureaucratical information about their citizens to identify them, such as:
- * Assigned name
- * Assigned date of birth
- * Assigned address
- * Assigned name of parent A
- * Assigned name of parent B
- ---
- Some states would also add very controversial definitions such as assigned "gender" or assigned "race".
- While many would agree that gender and race are controversial for human-identification and should be dropped, I never came across discussions about the other, allegedly more "basic" or "innocent" types of information.
- ---
Some problems with human-applied-bureaucracy is that it's not really unique ("coincidences can happen in the United States and Canada") and they may be grasped as "reducing" an entire human being's history into mere technical information; these and maybe other problems consist a broader problem with using human-applied-bureaucracy.- ---
- If any, what solutions does science give us to the broad problem I described above?
- Perhaps some kind of "computerized-genetic-human-identification" and Perhaps "world-government-microchip-identification"; perhaps something else?
- First I have to distinguish *human-identification* from *bureaucracy-applied-to-humans*.
- * There was a period in human history in which no state existed so no bureaucracy-applied-to-humans existed and humans identified one the other just by mere senses and perhaps also general communication languages as we use today
- * There was an even earlier period in human history in which no general communication languages as we use today existed so human-identification was done only by mere senses (this is how families and even tribes did allegiance identification)
- ---
- Today, states issue bureaucratical information about their citizens to identify them, such as:
- * Assigned name
- * Assigned date of birth
- * Assigned address
- * Assigned name of parent A
- * Assigned name of parent B
- ---
- Some states would also add very controversial definitions such as assigned "gender" or assigned "race".
- While many would agree that gender and race are controversial for human-identification and should be dropped, I never came across discussions about the other, allegedly more "basic" or "innocent" types of information.
- ---
- Some problems with bureaucracy-applied-to-humans is that it's not really unique ("coincidences can happen in the United States and Canada") and they may be grasped as "reducing" an entire human being's history into mere technical information; these and maybe other problems consist a broader problem with using bureaucracy-applied-to-humans.
- ---
- If any, what solutions does science give us to the broad problem I described above?
- Perhaps some kind of "computerized-genetic-human-identification" and Perhaps "world-government-microchip-identification"; perhaps something else?
#1: Initial revision
Could science (especially computer science
First I have to distinct *human-identification* from *human-applied-bureaucracy*.
* There was a period in human history in which no state existed so no human-applied-bureaucracy existed and humans identified one the other just by mere senses and perhaps also general communication languages as we use today
* There was an even earlier period in human history in which no general communication languages as we use today existed so human-identification was done only by mere senses (this is how families and even tribes did allegiance identification)
---
Today, states issue bureaucratical information about their citizens to identify them, such as:
* Assigned name
* Assigned date of birth
* Assigned address
* Assigned name of parent A
* Assigned name of parent B
---
Some states would also add very controversial definitions such as assigned "gender" or assigned "race".
While many would agree that gender and race are controversial for human-identification and should be dropped, I never came across discussions about the other, allegedly more "basic" or "innocent" types of information.
---
Some problems with human-applied-bureaucracy is that it's not really unique ("coincidences can happen in the United States and Canada") and they may be grasped as "reducing" an entire human being's history into mere technical information; these and maybe other problems consist a broader problem with using human-applied-bureaucracy.
---
If any, what solutions does science give us to the broad problem I described above?
Perhaps some kind of "computerized-genetic-human-identification" and Perhaps "world-government-microchip-identification"; perhaps something else?