Communities

Writing
Writing
Codidact Meta
Codidact Meta
The Great Outdoors
The Great Outdoors
Photography & Video
Photography & Video
Scientific Speculation
Scientific Speculation
Cooking
Cooking
Electrical Engineering
Electrical Engineering
Judaism
Judaism
Languages & Linguistics
Languages & Linguistics
Software Development
Software Development
Mathematics
Mathematics
Christianity
Christianity
Code Golf
Code Golf
Music
Music
Physics
Physics
Linux Systems
Linux Systems
Power Users
Power Users
Tabletop RPGs
Tabletop RPGs
Community Proposals
Community Proposals
tag:snake search within a tag
answers:0 unanswered questions
user:xxxx search by author id
score:0.5 posts with 0.5+ score
"snake oil" exact phrase
votes:4 posts with 4+ votes
created:<1w created < 1 week ago
post_type:xxxx type of post
Search help
Notifications
Mark all as read See all your notifications »
Q&A

Comments on Where is the inside of the Tardis? Is it a world in itself? Is it part of a different world?

Parent

Where is the inside of the Tardis? Is it a world in itself? Is it part of a different world?

+0
−0

The Doctor's TARDIS is larger on the inside than on the outside. How can this be achieved?

The conventional answer is that

The TARDIS is dimensionally transcendental ... the interior exists in a different, relative dimension to the exterior.

http://www.thedoctorwhosite.co.uk/tardis/

However this seems to be gobbledygook. It's a lot of technical sounding words with no real scientific basis.

Note: I am not asking about the time-travel aspect - just how a container could be bigger on the inside than on the outside.

Question

What real science could go some way to explaining how the Tardis can be bigger inside than out?

My main solution so far is.

The Tardis has a built-in portable wormhole. When you step inside, you have entered a real normal-size space in a different part of the universe. Maybe this space exists in a bunker on some planet. The problems are (a) how do you make a wormhole portable and (b) how would the Doctor cope if someone on the other planet attacked the bunker?

Can anyone come up with a better explanation? It needs to be based at least a little in real science. No magic is allowed or shrinking of atoms. As far as I know these aren't genuine scientific concepts.

History
Why does this post require attention from curators or moderators?
You might want to add some details to your flag.
Why should this post be closed?

This post was sourced from https://worldbuilding.stackexchange.com/q/20492. It is licensed under CC BY-SA 3.0.

0 comment threads

Post
+0
−0

I think I've answered here https://scientific-speculation.codidact.com/posts/292119 . I'll re-post for easy access.

Setup

I realized that it's possible to design a specific box that's bigger on the inside. Wanted to write this down.

Relating Mass to Lorentz Contraction

As velocity approaches the speed of light, and as the force of gravity approaches the Schwazchild radius, the length (as measured by an independent outside observer) of a spaceship decreases. Passengers inside the ship don't notice the warped space time. This is documented by the Lorentz contraction ( $ \beta $ ). Such that new length = $ \beta \times $ original length.

The Lorentz contraction is described as a function of velocity-

$$ \beta = \sqrt{ 1 - \%c^{2}} $$

Where %c is the speed you are going (as a percentage of the speed of light).

The Schwarzchild radius provides for us a distance from a mass at which the Lorentz contraction should be equal to 0 (the Event Horizon, or Schwarzchild Radius). This is connected to mass by this equation.

$$ r = G M \div c^{2} $$

Since r is a radius, we get double the benefit. A box holding a sphere of radius "r" is a cube "2r" long on each side. $ d = 2r $

This equation is a re-ordering of the orbital velocity equation, with v set to c

$$ v_{orbit} = \sqrt{ G M \div r } $$

Designing a 40 meter room (d1) that only takes up 10 meters (d2) of space

Figure out the Lorentz contraction from the new and old dimensions

$$ d_{2} = 0.25 d_{1} \rightarrow d_{2} = (0.25)(2)(r_{1}) $$$$ \therefore \beta = 0.5 $$

Use the Lorentz contraction to figure out the velocity

$$ 1 - \beta^{2} = \%c^{2} \rightarrow \sqrt{ 1 - \beta^2} = \%c $$

Use the velocity and desired new radius to find mass

$$ r = G M \div (\%c \cdot c)^{2} $$$$ 10 = G M \div (0.866 \cdot c)^{2} $$$$ M = 1.01 \times 10^{28} $$

For reference, our 10 meter room contains a gravity generator generating 1% of the mass of the Sun

This isn't actually too bad. Kilonovas (neutron star collisions) are believed to create a lot of the heavier elements (gold for example) and spew them far enough away to get picked up by places like Earth.

It's entirely possible that black holes have similar events that spew out very fine material that is crushed beyond neutron degeneracy pressure (black hole dust, for a simple word). So you might just be able to pick it up somewhere.

Only a few centimeters of this material has enough mass to do the job.

What about Hawking radiation? The calculation for 1 cm thick wall of black hole dust has a temperature of almost 0 Kelvin, and will take longer to evaporate from Hawking radiation than the life of the Universe.

Problems Left to Solve

Being able to generate enough spacebending force to create our bigger on the inside room doesn't mean the field is flat. Special equipment, or thoughtful design of where to put our black hole material would be necessary.

Also, special equipment will be required to get in and out of a gravity well so steep.

And shielding to keep this from dragging all the planets within 1 light year into orbit around the new room.

History
Why does this post require attention from curators or moderators?
You might want to add some details to your flag.

1 comment thread

So it's easy (2 comments)
So it's easy
Michael‭ wrote 5 months ago

If I understand correctly, you're saying it's easy to design a room that breaks the rules of cartesian space, so long as you can

  • Obtain some matter we imagine might exist.
  • Increase the mass of the system to a sizable fraction of our Solar System.
  • Deal with the crush of the strongest concentration any human has ever encountered of the most pervasive field we know about.
  • Solve a hyperbola to reach for your coffee.
James McLellan‭ wrote 5 months ago

Yes sir. At least, easier than extra universes.