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What is the value of ancient artifacts brought to the modern day via time travel?

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My novel involves time travel from the modern day to New Kingdom Egypt (14th century BCE). My characters bring home with them large quantities (equivalent of a handful of grocery bags) of jewelry. Gold, silver, other metals. Gemstones of various kinds. Both loose items and finished pieces. Some miscellaneous other items, but mostly jewelry.

Jewelry with provenance to New Kingdom Egypt is worth a fortune. Precious metals and gems from any era have intrinsic value (which would be a fraction of authenticated pieces but still a fair bit). Where would these "souvenirs" land?

The details of this process are in the background and not shown in the novel. Only the acquisition of the jewelry and a mention in the epilogue of how they sold some pieces, including to museums, and raised a lot of money.

Assume time travel is not a known thing to the buyers but also handwave away the idea that the buyers would think the sellers had done anything illegal. The sales would be in small amounts over a period of a couple of decades.

Would the jewelry be thought to be replicas (worth more than ordinary modern jewelry, especially to a museum) or could they be thought to be the real thing (in impossibly excellent condition)? Are pieces routinely carbon dated (which would not show the true age given the time travel aspect)? Are there other tests for Ancient Egyptian artifacts?

In relative terms, what is the value of my time travelers' New Kingdom jewelry?

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Your time travelers are not being smart.

Instead of bringing loot back with them, they should bury it in a place that they know they will have private access to in the present, and where nobody thought of digging. Then they can uncover the artifacts when they get back. The loot will pass all carbon dating and other tests since it really is old.

Your time travelers could even include tablets with inscriptions linking the artifacts to a particular king, artisan, or whatever, complete with intriguing story of why they were buried there.

The time travelers would certainly see things modern historians don't know about. The tablets could provide pointers to other locations to dig, what modern archeologists would find there, and some useful but currently unknown historical context. That would help validate the rest of the cache found with the tablets as not just being something you buried and very skillfully made appear old.

One problem with all this could be antiquity laws. Some governments view ancient artifacts as public property, whether found on private land or not. I don't know what the laws are in modern Egypt, but they are probably a reaction to foreigners essentially looting the place and carting off lots of treasures until only recently. The government may take the found loot, with maybe only modest compensation to the finders.

One possible way around the above is to leave the loot in a "shipwreck" in what is today international waters. You have to be careful to pick a place someone wouldn't notice a sonar anomaly and investigate before you could "discover" the wreck yourself.

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I love your answer. Unfortunately, it doesn't work for my novel, though you couldn't have known that... (4 comments)
I love your answer. Unfortunately, it doesn't work for my novel, though you couldn't have known that...
Cyn‭ wrote 11 days ago

I love your answer. Unfortunately, it doesn't work for my novel, though you couldn't have known that. The time travelers (all children), are in uninhabited places they can never find again. There was no "loot" when they left the village they arrived in, and that place isn't findable either.

Honestly, even a city with clear and obvious landmarks would not be the same 3000 years later. Buildings are mostly or completely gone, trees are dead, rock formations have shifted, even the tributaries of the Nile are in different places.

The character who narrates the epilogue (set 25 years later) became an archeologist and is dedicating her life to finding the village. So far with no luck at all.

Olin Lathrop‭ wrote 11 days ago

I was thinking location would be recorded by angle measurement to large natural landmarks, like mountain peaks, particular rock formations, and the like. Some rocks will calve off of a cliff in 3000 years, but most won't. Enough relative angle measurements with sketches should allow the location to be found within a few meters 3000 years later. Even if you have to scan an area 100 x 100 m with ground-penetrating radar, that's not all that hard today.

For the shipwreck, angles to the peaks of several nearby islands should be enough. You only need to get within a few 100 meters to find a shipwreck anomaly relatively easily with modern sonar.

Olin Lathrop‭ wrote 11 days ago
There was no "loot" when they left the village they arrived in

Then where do they get the loot from that they are supposed bring back? It's not like gold and precious jewels were just lying around in ancient Egypt. These things were considered treasures back then too, something a few kids would have a tough time getting their hands on.

Cyn‭ wrote 11 days ago

Well, it's a whole novel. The time travelers land in a village in lower Egypt and join in the Exodus. The "loot" is well described in Torah, including that there were tons of extras after pulling what they needed to build the mishkan. Yes, it's all fantasy. But I'm following the story as outlined in Torah. There is no way to create a shipwreck and no way to figure out exactly where they are. This is my story and these are the parameters.

But if you know the answers to my questions from the original, I'd love to hear them.